fiscal cliff, we still have a fiscal problem is go in the middle and argue over both tax increases which everybody knows needs to go up in order to fix it and spending cuts and entitlements. >> it may not exist in washington. on your point about dogma, grover norquist, of course, you popularized the no tax pledge for many years. on this plan by the speaker which would have allowed taxes to go up, your group said it wasn't a tax increase and that still wasn't good tough for a lot of house republicans. >> look, let's understand, there is a plan to actually solve the debt that's been run up, the deficits to continue, the entitlement reform and tax reform to get more pro-growth, tax reform, and that's the ryan plan, which has actually passed twice by the house of representatives. people can talk -- >> no support from the president. it's not going anywhere. >> the democrats haven't done a budget in three, four year, haven't put anything forward that deals with entitlements. there's one and only one plan that has actually been passed by one house. the president hasn't put anything forward that